Nieuw 2024 Coconut Bounty
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firewire
Registered User
Mooi dat hier de popcorn er ook weer eens bijgepakt kan worden.
Ja wel een vermoeden/op zekertje, maar ik ga me er niet aan branden want wellicht is dat ook zo’n prachtige sample….
Huisman Vuurwerk
Registered User
Als het goed is, krijgen wij deze nog voordat onze demo plaats vindt geleverd. Bunkervoorraad wel te verstaan. Dus wie weet...
Plum Bloom
Registered User
Laten we bij deze op alle fora dan nu maar vast afspreken dat de productieversie so wie so zwaar tegenvalt. Vanwege slapende honden en zo
firewire
Registered User
Die zijn klaarwakker hoor en naast dat ze fora afstruinen, bezoeken ze ook demo’s, dus bespaar je de moeite.Laten we bij deze op alle fora dan nu maar vast afspreken dat de productieversie so wie so zwaar tegenvalt. Vanwege slapende honden en zo
Plum Bloom
Registered User
Dus alle instanties die demo’s verbieden cq ernstig dwarszitten, dragen wel beschouwd bij aan het op de markt houden van vuurwerk dat niet aan de veiligheidseisen voldoet. Dat is nog eens een grappig inzicht
Z@P
Registered User
You can sleep well tonight Mr Funke, the production version is a total disaster
Not even close to the leviathan, it as an absolute disgrace, instead of blue they used a cheap green and red color and added some cheap gold effects next to lame glittering willows. This feels like a scam. Only in the fireworks business people are accepting this, i have had enough of this.
maartenvincent
Registered User
De effecten zien er ineens anders uit, ten opzichte van het China filmpje.
Best vreemd. Ineens zit er 'gewoon goud' bij de effecten.
Best vreemd. Ineens zit er 'gewoon goud' bij de effecten.
Knettermans
Bronzen Member
Al met al nog steeds een prima bak maar natuurlijk totaal niet wat er op eerdere demo's werd geschoten. Iedereen had een topper verwacht maar wat we nu zien steekt er zeker niet bovenuit.
Z@P
Registered User
Dat is inderdaad wel een positief punt, we leveren wel wat in op de burst maar het is niet de “plopperramp” zoals velen incl mijzelf dachten, althans zoals het er nu maar uitziet.
Z@P
Registered User
Ik denk dat het afhankelijk is van het type effect, maar ook voor een gelijkmatige break heb je wat kracht nodig, je ziet imho wat vaker bij de kooiloze producten dat effecten 1 kant uitschieten om het zo maar te zeggen. Double whammy bijv
Funke
Member
Haha, as soon as I saw the picture of the mass production carton with the Jiangxi factory code (40F...) a few days ago, I already knew it would get funny. As the original Leviathan is from Hunan, and Jiangxi is 98% rubbish.You can sleep well tonight Mr Funke, the production version is a total disaster
Not even close to the leviathan, it as an absolute disgrace, instead of blue they used a cheap green and red color and added some cheap gold effects next to lame glittering willows. This feels like a scam. Only in the fireworks business people are accepting this, i have had enough of this.
The original sample video was from the same factory in Hunan where I developed the different glittering palm effects with the factory / made the "Leviathan". So I also spoke to the factory earlier this year why they make the copy of our item. The technicians reply was just, that they did not start to make it, and may not have the capacity to make it even though they accepted the order, but I thought it was just an excuse from them.
Anyways, it´s like that: An importer goes to china, wants to make copies of those items, but luckily, the importers all have about 0 quality control, just place some orders to chinese traders and that´s all they do; then the chinese trader places the order to the factory, and normally also checks nothing there during production. If the factory can´t make it for whatever reason, or can´t finish in time, then the traders often just switch the factory, as they want to deliver the orders in time for the season in order to get paid by the importer.
But yeah, as I did many tests for those Gold titanium / Corolla / Brocade glittering palms, as well es for the tail effects, it is unlikely for some random factory to just do it correctly if a trader just sends them the order. If that would be possible, I also would stay home in germany the whole year, and just place orders to random factories which have capacity.
So this is a good example why we often can´t deliver: When faced with such a situation, I chose to wait until the correct factory can make it, and not just check whatever shitty Jiangxi factory may have some remaining capacity to still finish an item in time for the season, which then is nothing like it should be.
But anyways, at least those importers are not cheaper than we are with Argento, given all the hard work they put into their product development and quality control
Same with the Blitzbomber from the demo btw, all dahlia stars are now normal peonies, corolla is barely burning, corolla change to blue about 3 stars per innertube ignite, finale lacks the proper big silver chrysanthemum, etc etc.. Just compare it to the "Minerva" of Argento, or the Blitzbomber sample video, which was still from the original factory.
Well, in germany we call it "Schadenfreude" - sadly it doesn´t always play out like this, and often those copies actually do succeed. But in this case, it turned out quite funny
painkiller
Registered User
So your telling us that they already knew that de final product will be different than the sample they shot at Ano Vuurwerk? If i understand correctly the sample is from another factory than the mass produced ones.Haha, as soon as I saw the picture of the mass production carton with the Jiangxi factory code (40F...) a few days ago, I already knew it would get funny. As the original Leviathan is from Hunan, and Jiangxi is 98% rubbish.
The original sample video was from the same factory in Hunan where I developed the different glittering palm effects with the factory / made the "Leviathan". So I also spoke to the factory earlier this year why they make the copy of our item. The technicians reply was just, that they did not start to make it, and may not have the capacity to make it even though they accepted the order, but I thought it was just an excuse from them.
Anyways, it´s like that: An importer goes to china, wants to make copies of those items, but luckily, the importers all have about 0 quality control, just place some orders to chinese traders and that´s all they do; then the chinese trader places the order to the factory, and normally also checks nothing there during production. If the factory can´t make it for whatever reason, or can´t finish in time, then the traders often just switch the factory, as they want to deliver the orders in time for the season in order to get paid by the importer.
But yeah, as I did many tests for those Gold titanium / Corolla / Brocade glittering palms, as well es for the tail effects, it is unlikely for some random factory to just do it correctly if a trader just sends them the order. If that would be possible, I also would stay home in germany the whole year, and just place orders to random factories which have capacity.
So this is a good example why we often can´t deliver: When faced with such a situation, I chose to wait until the correct factory can make it, and not just check whatever shitty Jiangxi factory may have some remaining capacity to still finish an item in time for the season, which then is nothing like it should be.
But anyways, at least those importers are not cheaper than we are with Argento, given all the hard work they put into their product development and quality control
Same with the Blitzbomber from the demo btw, all dahlia stars are now normal peonies, corolla is barely burning, corolla change to blue about 3 stars per innertube ignite, finale lacks the proper big silver chrysanthemum, etc etc.. Just compare it to the "Minerva" of Argento, or the Blitzbomber sample video, which was still from the original factory.
Well, in germany we call it "Schadenfreude" - sadly it doesn´t always play out like this, and often those copies actually do succeed. But in this case, it turned out quite funny
That's crazy...
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Knettermans
Bronzen Member
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this Malte, this really puts things in another perspective!Haha, as soon as I saw the picture of the mass production carton with the Jiangxi factory code (40F...) a few days ago, I already knew it would get funny. As the original Leviathan is from Hunan, and Jiangxi is 98% rubbish.
The original sample video was from the same factory in Hunan where I developed the different glittering palm effects with the factory / made the "Leviathan". So I also spoke to the factory earlier this year why they make the copy of our item. The technicians reply was just, that they did not start to make it, and may not have the capacity to make it even though they accepted the order, but I thought it was just an excuse from them.
Anyways, it´s like that: An importer goes to china, wants to make copies of those items, but luckily, the importers all have about 0 quality control, just place some orders to chinese traders and that´s all they do; then the chinese trader places the order to the factory, and normally also checks nothing there during production. If the factory can´t make it for whatever reason, or can´t finish in time, then the traders often just switch the factory, as they want to deliver the orders in time for the season in order to get paid by the importer.
But yeah, as I did many tests for those Gold titanium / Corolla / Brocade glittering palms, as well es for the tail effects, it is unlikely for some random factory to just do it correctly if a trader just sends them the order. If that would be possible, I also would stay home in germany the whole year, and just place orders to random factories which have capacity.
So this is a good example why we often can´t deliver: When faced with such a situation, I chose to wait until the correct factory can make it, and not just check whatever shitty Jiangxi factory may have some remaining capacity to still finish an item in time for the season, which then is nothing like it should be.
But anyways, at least those importers are not cheaper than we are with Argento, given all the hard work they put into their product development and quality control
Same with the Blitzbomber from the demo btw, all dahlia stars are now normal peonies, corolla is barely burning, corolla change to blue about 3 stars per innertube ignite, finale lacks the proper big silver chrysanthemum, etc etc.. Just compare it to the "Minerva" of Argento, or the Blitzbomber sample video, which was still from the original factory.
Well, in germany we call it "Schadenfreude" - sadly it doesn´t always play out like this, and often those copies actually do succeed. But in this case, it turned out quite funny
Funke
Member
Ik wil hier toch even op inhaken.
Vooral om het zinnetjes 'belangen van importeurs en winkeliers'. Ik weet niet helemaal waar dit vandaan komt.
Als er een periode is waar mensen (crew) van FPM losstaat van de importeurs is dit wel de periode 2019 tot nu..Dit betekend niet dat we voor die tijd op handen waren van de importeurs maar dat dat toen gedacht werd kan ik me we voorstellen. We werkten veel samen, kwamen vaak over de vloer etc. Dan schets je het beeld wel terwijl ik weet dat wij altijd onafhankelijk dit forum hebben kunnen draaien en hebben gedraaid. Dat we niet altijd dezelfde mening staat daar los van. Ik ben in de periode 2012 t/m 2019 ongeveer 11 a 12 keer in China geweest om mocht me toen bemoeien met het ontwerp van producten als de selectie van producten. In die periode heb ik ontzettend veel geleerd en dan krijg je wel een andere kijk op het werk van de importeur en ook op de manier waarop de liefhebber over de importeur denkt. Daarbij zijn we in 2017 zelf ook een winkel gestart..Dit vooral met het idee "je kan het wel allemaal vertellen maar doe het ook eens zelf" ..Zo gezegd, zo gedaan...Daar heb ik nog meer geleerd en helemaal hoe het qua marges werkt. Ik heb me daar in al die jaren voor de winkel ontzettend in vergist. Je word dus niet slapen rijk
Afijn,
FPM is nog steeds onafhankelijk en zal dat altijd blijven. Als dit niet meer kan dan gooien we een zwart scherm op en stoppen we ermee.
De reden waarom we de discussie over het product naar kwaliteit ipv prijs wilde verleggen is omdat iedereen op een andere manier naar een prijs / kosten en zijn portomonee kijkt. Dat een cake duur is en dat jij als liefhebber er geen €40 voor over hebt zegt niets over de kwaliteit. Hij is te duur! Dat zijn 2 verschillende dingen. Had niks te maken met de importeurs. We probeerden puur de angel uit de discussie te halen omdat "Ik" niet in jouw portemonnee kan kijken.
Helaas is het zo dat ook wij niet iedereen tevreden kunnen houden. Zure reacties, boze reacties...je zult ze altijd blijven houden en uiteraard proberen wij het altijd te voorkomen of op te lossen maar net als buiten op straat lukt dit niet altijd.
Enne, het gevoel dat het leegloopt is puur het gevoel..Sinds Oktober 2023 zitten de bezoekers aantallen weer in stijgende lijn. Helaas is het wel zo en ik zie dat ook bij heel veel andere dingen is dat mensen niet meer zo snel de moeite nemen om te reageren wat uiteraard zonde is. We weten dat zodra we dit hele FPM verhaal verhuizen naar TikTok of andere social media kanalen dat we dan veel meer interactie krijgen maar het is gewoon ons ding niet. We doen het niet voor de views of likes, we doen het vooral omdat we zo ontzettend veel van deze hobby houden ondanks dat het weleens frustrerend is dat de mooiste vuurwerkvideos niet meer dan 1000 kijkers heeft terwijl een rotje in een drol een miljoen keer bekeken word
..>Maar uiteindelijk liever 1000 kijkers want we weten wel dat dat de mensen zijn die er echt mee bezig zijn en echt met de hobby bezig zijn. Voor nu wens ik iedereen een paar mooie en spannende dagen toe...Nog even!!
Z@P
Registered User
Thanks you for your honest view on this, this makes a lot of sense. I guess some are lacking the pure passion for fireworks and only focus making as much profit as possible and don’t care so much about delivering high quality.Haha, as soon as I saw the picture of the mass production carton with the Jiangxi factory code (40F...) a few days ago, I already knew it would get funny. As the original Leviathan is from Hunan, and Jiangxi is 98% rubbish.
The original sample video was from the same factory in Hunan where I developed the different glittering palm effects with the factory / made the "Leviathan". So I also spoke to the factory earlier this year why they make the copy of our item. The technicians reply was just, that they did not start to make it, and may not have the capacity to make it even though they accepted the order, but I thought it was just an excuse from them.
Anyways, it´s like that: An importer goes to china, wants to make copies of those items, but luckily, the importers all have about 0 quality control, just place some orders to chinese traders and that´s all they do; then the chinese trader places the order to the factory, and normally also checks nothing there during production. If the factory can´t make it for whatever reason, or can´t finish in time, then the traders often just switch the factory, as they want to deliver the orders in time for the season in order to get paid by the importer.
But yeah, as I did many tests for those Gold titanium / Corolla / Brocade glittering palms, as well es for the tail effects, it is unlikely for some random factory to just do it correctly if a trader just sends them the order. If that would be possible, I also would stay home in germany the whole year, and just place orders to random factories which have capacity.
So this is a good example why we often can´t deliver: When faced with such a situation, I chose to wait until the correct factory can make it, and not just check whatever shitty Jiangxi factory may have some remaining capacity to still finish an item in time for the season, which then is nothing like it should be.
But anyways, at least those importers are not cheaper than we are with Argento, given all the hard work they put into their product development and quality control
Same with the Blitzbomber from the demo btw, all dahlia stars are now normal peonies, corolla is barely burning, corolla change to blue about 3 stars per innertube ignite, finale lacks the proper big silver chrysanthemum, etc etc.. Just compare it to the "Minerva" of Argento, or the Blitzbomber sample video, which was still from the original factory.
Well, in germany we call it "Schadenfreude" - sadly it doesn´t always play out like this, and often those copies actually do succeed. But in this case, it turned out quite funny