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[Movie] Pirotecnia Caballer - Spain

Tony

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De laatste show op de 2de avond werd geschoten door Pirotecnia Vicente Caballer uit Spanje. Voor velen van ons bekend vanwege hun deelname aan het festival Fallas de Valencia elke maart en hun vele shows de rest van het jaar in Valencia en als 2 malig winnaar van de golden Jupiter op het Montreal Pyromusical festival.

Na het debacle van de editie in 2006 waar volgens de mensen van Vicente door brand op het veld een gedeelte van hun show niet is afgegaan verwachten we veel deze avond. De show begon bijna gelijk aan die van 2 jaar geleden. En zoals we van hem gewend zijn gebruikte hij daar heel veel single shots bij. Wat erg jammer is want het was net of er even een product demo werd gehouden want er zat niks spannends aan. Eén van de crew leden merkte op dat hij niet kon begrijpen dat iemand die zo goed is met ritmes en het timen van vuurwerk niet zelf muziek maakt met het vuurwerk! Hierdoor had het publiek op de banken kunnen gaan maar nu snapte bijna niemand wat er eigenlijk gebeurde. Het werd ook zeker niet gewaardeerd want er was zeer weinig applaus voor dit gedeelte. Een gemiste kans lijkt me.



Dit eerste stuk duurde ook 4 minuten waardoor ik het idee kreeg dat er iets mis was met het geluid. Want na dit gedeelte duurde het ook weer even voor we geluid hoorden en het was net of het eerste stuk ook met muziek moest en in de regels staat dat er 2 minuten zonder muziek moet worden geschoten en niet 4.

Toen de muziek eenmaal draaide werd de show ook steeds beter. Het eerste stuk zag er gelikt uit en ondanks dat de rook er voor zorgde dat je een hoop effecten niet helemaal zag was de timing erg goed en zagen we mooie producten voorbij komen. Het stukje dat begint op 5.32 is iets waar je goed op moet letten. Het is net of er iets verkeerd gaat aan de rechterkant omdat je de eerste paar seconden alleen links single shots ziet branden maar op de muziek word dat veld steeds breder gemaakt. Mooi stukje met even erna een partij mines en zelfs knallers op het veld (Witte flitsen).



Het verloop van de show is gewoon goed. Een wat vreemde muziek maar zeer goed op ingespeeld met bepaalde effecten zoals bijvoorbeeld de rode blinkers op de grond en de rode blinkers in de lucht en daarna de rode (peony) blinkers. Een top stukje al duurt ie misschien wel wat aan de lange kant. Helaas zien we hierna wel wat kleine fouten. Je ziet verkeerde bommen aan de rechterkant omhoog gaan en ook niet alles heb ik het idee. Je kan er bijna niks aan doen maar het kost je wel punten en het oogt niet mooi.

De finale had wel wat heftiger gemogen al is dit ook wel een keer mooi maar het hoort niet helemaal bij het festival. Het publiek verwacht nog even een partij geweld maar inplaats van dat is de show dan toch afgelopen.



Ik heb een mooie en leuke show gezien met helaas te veel rook die bleef hangen. Sommige mensen zeggen dat je daar als schieter rekening mee moet houden maar het is een bekend gegeven dat je op dit festival altijd last van rook hebt. Twee jaar geleden hetzelfde probleem. Vaak windstil en al het rook blijft op 1 punt hangen en ook nog eens op een bepaalde hoogte. Je moet er als schieter een beetje rekening mee houden maar het is iets wat je gewoon niet in de hand heb. Staat er wel een beetje wind en naar achter dan hoor je niemand over de single shots en andere lage effecten die hij schiet. En nu ….is het de schuld van de schieter.

We zijn net als bij de andere shows benieuwd wat jullie van de show vinden.






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Studata68

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Display Wonderful! Great products and excellent timing!

The show was very poetic, the music very well chosen and the display filled
emotion, especially on the final!

Unfortunately difficult to tackle the challenge (even when one is called
Caballer) when it goes after the Austrians who enchanted the audience.

The beginning of the display was a little soft, and V. Caballer never likely to
Chantilly.

In 2006, many of their products and cues had caught fire and were destroyed Because of previous competitors, this is why they had returned this year!

In 2008, they have no technical problems in particular, but go
their last conducted in the display of smoke everywhere 2 competitors
precedents, which has partly ruined their show, which seemed very promising!

I really found this show Excellent and at the height of their reputation, but this we can blame the Spanish (and all Spanishs in general when
come to Chantilly) is that they are content to know that they do not
not seek to innovate, of course, they do well, but it is sometimes a little too
linear, with a sense of 'already seen' ... It is a shame!

It must be said that trade issues for France are very important, so we
really feel (igual, caballer ... etc) they are there to make a
demonstration of their products, rather than a show with a theme respected!

In another context (hors contest, in a city display) I really found
their excellent performance! Here, it is true that despite the smoke that can be
forgive, they do not deserve to win!

Finally, congratulations on their performance!
 

Dennis010

Registered User
door het "muziekloze begin" ontstond er verwarring tussen het publiek, ook bij ons. we dachten dat er iets serieus fout ging. toen alles eenmaal op gang was, toch nog en mooie show gezien, ondanks de enorme rookontwikkeling.
door de vele roem die er aan deze naam werd verbonden hier, erg hoge verwachtingen gehad voor deze show, maar dat kwam dus niet helemaal uit.
voor ons toch een iets mindere show, maar zeer zeker niet slecht.
 

rastre

Registered User
I don't like this show bery much.... can anyone explainme the 4 stars in this case, please?

The beggining is borinng and repetitive (they did almost the same last year here in Chantilly), they abuse of the one shots and the consecuence was that there were too smoke on the first level . The colors and quality of prouduct was good, but nothing special (maybe the somoke was the guilty of that).

The finale was a bit exrange, and the music maybe was the best of the display.

For me 2 stars.
 

reflections

Registered User
This display was quite a sad display.. But as expected the synchronization and the sequences were superb.. They were out of control specially with the one shots ahahahaha!! I wonder what's the story behind the show, to me it feels like they're trying to put the emotions that they experienced last year when some of their modules burned ahahaha!! :D
 

Studata68

Registered User
No, smoke is not from V. Caballer. It is the smoke from the beginning of competitors evening because V.Caballer east past year.

The OneShot have nothing to do inside there, the limit would be more because light on water.

Chantilly is a place very wet, with water and forest, there was no
wind, the place is in a bowl. Thus, the smoke has a tendency to stagnate
last competitors to late evening. (4 Fireworks of 14-minutes are shooting
before Caballer)

The audio technicians has had technical problems which are not due to Caballer, that is why there was a long time without music and it seemed
repetitive. We will not penalise them because of a problem that does not come from them.
This year fully functioned properly for them. This is the sound that has
not worked well.

It is not one of the finest and not the best pyromusical performances of V. Caballer, but the products were beautiful, the theme respected (Because yes, for those who do not speak French, there is a theme unlike other competitions), the products were of good quality.

Nothing unusual, but a nice fire, which (like many) make
much better (in terms of feeling and emotion) rather in true that on a simple video with a good music.

V. Caballer does not have much luck in Chantilly, they often have technical problems and often last forever and it is because of them. 2 years ago, technical problems were because of the Canadian company 'APOGEE' which shattered their firing positions.

The 4 stars, it's just because the display was better than others in Chantilly and is more an encouragement than anything else ...
 

Kobajo

FPM Filmer
No, smoke is not from V. Caballer. It is the smoke from the beginning of competitors evening because V.Caballer east past year.
The same problem we saw in 2006 with the pyromusical of Parente, which was also filled with smoke from previous competitors.

I do remember in a conversation with one of the members of Vicente Caballer in 2006 that they wanted to come back in 2008, but their demand was that they start first. This to avoid any problems caused by other competitiors.
As we all know that did not happen and they had a huge problem with the smoke.
 

Studata68

Registered User
Caballer really has no chance at Chantilly.

The problem is that the order of competitors is by drawing
fate, so it's a pure coincidence if they are still spent last ...

Add to that their sound technical problem and was actually lost
in advance!

In France we say: 'Never 2 without 3' is the second time that it does
not, I think they will return soon for a third time to prove their
ability!

V. Caballer is a great company with great products, they are
very beautiful display and have a super electronic firing system. There is no reason it can not compete with compagny as Igual, Jupiter or Parente ...

Their products do not smoke more than Ricardo Caballer (on the contrary, they smoke may be even less and are more luminous), where Ricardo Caballer need 6 or 7 Pyrodigital, V. Caballer done the same if not better with only 1 EFISY ECU (M) single unit.

So they really have the potential!

There are simply some things that can not be explained ...

It is simply that they have no chance ...

By cons I'd like to know the name of the song they have placed on the final.
 

Tony

Administrator
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Studata, thank you for you 2 replys. The other people replying dindt have seen the show or dont know more about the fireworks. Vicente displayed a very nice show and indeed much better then some others we have seen.

I even think Igual cannot stand in there shoes because Igual dont really now how to display a pyromusical, they do know how to shoot regular display with some of there amazing effects. The same problem had Vicente before and now they proved to me that they can. Okay it was not the best show but it was good and they effects of Vicente are very very good and all self made!
 

rastre

Registered User
I even think Igual cannot stand in there shoes because Igual dont really now how to display a pyromusical
EXCUSEME!!!?!!!!!?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?!!!!!!!!!?!!!!!?!

How can you say that about the company that have won more Jupiters, more than Caballer, more than Ipon, more t6han Weco, more than the rest of the companies of the world.

I'm very very very very very surprised for your words, I though you knew more about what you were talking, and no.... Who doesn't know more about the fireworks is you. The next time don't accuse the people who think different of you, different of you valencian blind point of view.


To say that Igual don't really know how to display a pyromusical is a big mistake, as same as accuse the rest of the people who think different and see the things from another point of view.


Please, be more open-minded, because after years participating here and seeing your comments now I have to say that I'm DISAPPOINTED.
 
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Tony

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EXCUSEME!!!?!!!!!?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?!!!!!!!!!?!!!!!?!

How can you say that about the company that have won more Jupiters, more than Caballer, more than Ipon, more t6han Weco, more than the rest of the companies of the world.

I'm very very very very very surprised for your words, I though you knew more about what you were talking, and no.... Who doesn't know more about the fireworks is you. The next time don't accuse the people who think different of you, different of you valencian blind point of view.


To say that Igual don't really know how to display a pyromusical is a big mistake, as same as accuse the rest of the people who think different and see the things from another point of view.


Please, be more open-minded, because after years participating here and seeing your comments now I have to say that I'm DISAPPOINTED.
You can be disapointed but the show in Chantilly wasnt that good. And the videos i have seen from Igual shows i dont like. Couldt it be taste? I dont like the way the use the small sections of sings in the end. In a place like chantilly with that romantic setting you dont do that. And if you want to do it then do it good. There was nothing beautifull about that.

I dont have a blind Valencia view because if you translate the stories i made you can read that i like the show of Caballer but it was no winner. I prefer and like the show Jupiter have fired. Amazing with Great effects, good music and very good timing so thats open minded.

For me Igual is a good company when they shoot regular displays without music. You tell me to be more open minded but please dont say that if you think Igual is the best company and you come from barcelona. You accuse me of something that your self is doing!.

Again i dind's like the show dispite of all the Jupiters they won!
Is that possible :push: ?

The other people replying dindt have seen the show or dont know more about the fireworks. Vicente displayed a very nice show and indeed much better then some others we have seen.
Indeed the words i used are wrongly choosen. Sorry about that :love:
 

rastre

Registered User
For me Igual is a good company when they shoot regular displays without music. You tell me to be more open minded but please dont say that if you think Igual is the best company and you come from barcelona. You accuse me of something that your self is doing!.
I don't like Igual very much, i'ts just that I felt that you didn't accept other opinions. Just this. Now I accept your excuses.

I liked their display, but it's not the best (and I have never said that). It's just a question of what I call justice.


Pirotecnia igual is not a very creative company, all displays in Catalonia (or almos all displays) are fired by Igual, I'm tired of see always the same. Believe me when I say that Igual is not on my top ten of fireworks companies. As I said for me it was a question of justice with theyr display, that I think it was good, with nice effects, creativity and good rithym.
 

Studata68

Registered User
Igual has very good products, but their performances (especially pyromusical fireworks) are not well prepared, it resembles more of the demonstration! Anything that they are interested in the economic point of view the export (Only business)!

It can be observed on all their shows, they are demonstrating all
their products, put up in a short time, have no frame,
using all types of music, just to show what they can do and
to promo their products! I understand quite ... But in a contest
we must also learn to ignore certain aspects of commercial and accept
the rules of competition and make a minimal effort!

The displays of Igual are very drafts in general, are often their final
successful but have really nothing exceptional and their lights do not emit
emotion!

Yes their shells gold palm trunks are beautiful, but it's boring after a
some time, to believe they can do it.

Then, on their rate of fire and regularity of timing,
FireOne / Firelite is already not a very good system of shooting (not very precise and little powerful), but some companies and modified correctly (example: Europla) come to make things cool with this system.

When Igual uses Fireone, the display is not precise, there is considerable
cut cues, products would not leave or not the right time!

The displays are really Igual 'Draft', but what I saw now
Abroad and France did not at all convinced ... and yet I use a
Part of their production!

Personally I am a fan of Caballer families, so I'm perhaps not
very objective and I use also the firing system of V. Caballer. But I know
still be objective, because I have already seen great pyromusicals V. Caballer, A. Caballer or R. Caballer and others who have less convinced!

So that Igual in general I'm really not fan! It's rough a demonstration!
 

Tony

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Okey guys we go on topic again! This thread is about Pirotecnia Caballer at Nuits de feu 2008.. Thank you
 

PYROLEFOU

Registered User
Bonjour de France et merci pour toutes ses vidéos

Encore un magnifique spectacle du maître Caballer ,mon préféré actuellement avec Parente

Merci encore a vous

pyrotechniquement

Pyrolefou
 
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Dennis010

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Bonjour de France et merci pour toutes ses vidéos

Encore un magnifique spectacle du maître Caballer ,mon préféré actuellement avec Parente

Merci encore a vous

pyrotechniquement

Pyrolefou
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gegroet uit frankrijk, en bedankt voor al jullie video's.
alweer een geweldig spektakel van meester caballer, mijn grootste voorkeur samen met parente.
nogmaals dank aan jullie.
 
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