Consumer Fireworks UK

meggsy

Registered User
I thought I would start posting some links to some of my favourite Consumer Fireworks here in the UK I will start posting links to individual films, rather than suppliers.

My first film....

TROPICANA FANNED
http://www.sandlingfireworks.com/images/cakesp2.gif

Nice Mine/Comet/Burst cost around 84 Euros

Perhaps in this area of the forum other people will post similar links, I would like to see how our fireworks compare.

Cheers
Meggsy

Will post more very soon...
 
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propyro2

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Uk fireworks stand to be bigger and better than all consumer fireworks in the USA because they can contain FLASH powder and the powder limits are much higher.

But alas I hear the big brother central command of the European Union has recently conspired to dramatically take most of the power from the fireworks. Imagine the huge nationwide let down when consumers light thier fireworks and they are nothing like last years.

If this is true pyro's should be marching in the streets. Heads should role within the trade organisations for letting this happen.
 

meggsy

Registered User
Yes it is all very dissapointing, but we will just have to see how things pan out. Personally I will not be sorrry to see some of the bigger rockets being withdrawn as they are a problem IMHO fallout issues more than anything else.

I have a foot in both camps so whilst I still love my consumer fireworks, restrictions on biggger fireworks may lead to more display work for me.
 

propyro2

Registered User
I have a foot in both camps so whilst I still love my consumer fireworks, restrictions on biggger fireworks may lead to more display work for me.
But wont the restrictions on transport/storage and all other stuff also severly hurt the display industry?

I know you love pyro Meggsy and the following is not aimed at you and may not apply to the UK but other members may like to reflect on the following. What gets me the most upset in pyro politics is when display people act against the retailers and consumer users. Thier motives include believing that they will get more work, huge jealousy of the profit in the retail sector, they know more about fireworks , fireworks are too dangerous for the public, they are safer than the public.

But many of them are shortsighted hypocrits. Without healthy retail the industry becomes very small and does not have resources to protect themselves. Retail promotes fireworks and grows displays. In most countries the legal consumer fireworks have lower injury rates than display fireworks. INjuries from display fireworks include deaths and are generally very serious. People wanting to ban retail always complain about noise and animals. I have seen display people suck up to the Govt and support these arguements when their fireworks make the biggest noise and one small wedding show can be heard across the city affecting tens of thousands of people. Whats more when display companies get big they get expensive and want to help the govt put in place all sorts of restrictions and paperwork to make it hard for smaller guys and new entrants.

Whatever any pyro does never become a PYRO SNOB.
 

meggsy

Registered User
:laugh: I am glad it was not aimed at me...

I know what your saying but that doesn't really apply in the UK, most of the biggest display companies are also the biggest comsumer retailers so there is no conflict, far from it. I myslef work on occasion in a retail shop were it not for the retail side I am not sure many companies would survive, neither would I :unsure:

My comments were really about the bigger rockets (the shells on a stick) that are being phased out in any event, and of course people's desire to see big breaks.

The displays companies and retailers will live happily together for some time to come.

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reb

Registered User
First off, I would like to thank Meggsy for all the great stuff he has posted especialy the five movies from last years competition, brilliant !

This is a great thread, and I can see it going on for a while.

After many years forgetting about fireworks, in the last two years I have had my love of them rekindled, and I have been most impressed with the quality and safety of the consumer fireworks now available.

The thing is, I like big rockets with a large spread going up over the top of the excellent cakes, and to lose those rockets would be (in my humble opinion) a travesty.

As we all know, there is an element of society which will always be there, which has no
respect for the fireworks or other people, but I like to think that the vast majority are fine and decent folk that just want to enjoy they're firework celebration.

how on earth can that be done without a decent rocket or two !
We consumers in britain have already lost aeriel shells and now we stand to lose the only other high rising big spreading firework!

Now if they re-instate aeriel shells (if the sticks are the problem) then fine, but to remove both from sale to the public is just plain wrong (in my opinion).

The nanny state is just going mad (again).

How about a test / licensing for consumers ?
If you want to purchase aeriel shells / large mines , up to say 85 - 100mm you have to pass safety / competence training and if you do pass, a license is issued, which must be shown at time of purchase?

I don't know, whatever happened to this country, pretty soon we won't be able to blow our nose in public, or drink a beer with our mates without some bleedin heart stating its bad for our health, its dangerous, "BAN IT" !! :laugh:

regards
Reb
 
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Erllill

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We all know if this were to happen the black market would welcome it with open arms so there is not really much to worry about. Even if it becomes illegal the EU can't stop everybody in Europe just like the CPSC can't stop everybody in America.

Just because it's the law doesn't mean that you have to follow it!
 

meggsy

Registered User
Just because it's the law doesn't mean that you have to follow it!

Well actually I do:amuse: ....I want to go and throw bangers on the street, often :nuts: , but as it is illegal in the UK so I go to a country that allows it, such as Spain. People breaking the law actually makes it worse for everyone else in the long run. I do agree that if a ban were imposed then of course the Black Market would take over, but hey that's life.

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Vavoom

Registered User
<snip>
How about a test / licensing for consumers ?
If you want to purchase aeriel shells / large mines , up to say 85 - 100mm you have to pass safety / competence training and if you do pass, a license is issued, which must be shown at time of purchase?
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That's exactly what I've thought of (and am still thinking of) for our little country. The only problem with that is that authorities can't check if the person purchasing the device is also the one that is shooting it.

Hence, there should also be some sort of registration of which person purchases what kind of specific firework. This person should also have to be able to show all of his purchased and registered fireworks at any time (except for the day(s) that it is legal to use them?). If this person can't show all of the registered fireworks his license should be revoked immediately. And he should be forbidden to use any (heavier) fireworks for the rest of his/her life.
But how on earth should authorities manage a thing like this?

Am still trying to figure something out to cope with this issue.
 

reb

Registered User
Just because it's the law doesn't mean that you have to follow it!

Well, I don't wish to incur a fine or imprisonment or recieve a criminal record for such a minor thing !!

breaking laws is not a wise choice (in my humble opinion) in order to get them changed / revoked.

regards
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reb

Registered User
That's exactly what I've thought of (and am still thinking of) for our little country. The only problem with that is that authorities can't check if the person purchasing the device is also the one that is shooting it.

Hence, there should also be some sort of registration of which person purchases what kind of specific firework. This person should also have to be able to show all of his purchased and registered fireworks at any time (except for the day(s) that it is legal to use them?). If this person can't show all of the registered fireworks his license should be revoked immediately. And he should be forbidden to use any (heavier) fireworks for the rest of his/her life.
But how on earth should authorities manage a thing like this?

Here in the uk, most retail consumers really only buy fireworks twice a year, for November 5th and new year, and don't even think of fireworks for the rest of the year.

As far as I can see, most catagory 2 and 3 fireworks are not a concern for the authorities (even 100mm mines) it seems to be aimed mainly at large shellburst rockets and aerial shells, so my thoughts were aimed mainly at only those specific items. (I realise I mentioned mines earlier and this was in hindsight a mistake).

In my opinion, Should a member of the general public wish to purchase aerial shells upto a size limit of say 85 / 100mm, then a training session must be passed, and a certificate / license (as in firearms) issued.

The system seemed to work ok for firearms, as the police monitored and checked people with the license to hold a firearm, (and they were year round monitoring requirements), what I am suggesting is a twice a year monitor need for the most part, with all purchases logged at point of sale, which have to be notified to the authorities by the retailer, IE: who bought the items, how many items, and the address of the licensed purchaser, and when and where the items are to be fired by the purchaser.
This system already exists for purchases of over 50kg composition weight of any class of fireworks, and so this idea is easily applied (simply add the purchase of aerial shells to that regulation and its done!!!).

Those people with no interest in such items need not be trained / licensed, but should still be able to purchase and fire cat2 / cat3 fireworks as they can now.

If this was adopted then of course many other powerful cat 3 fireworks (like the tropicana fanned mentioned above) would probably be added to the list requiring the training / license before purchase, as time went by.

As regards the black market, its always been there and always will, in the fashion and dvd industries it is rife, where there is demand someone will supply!

so don't ban items, keep them available to satisfy demand (with responsibility ie:training / license) and reduce the potential market so far, as to make it un profitable to the black marketeers.

Regards
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propyro2

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If you want to purchase aeriel shells / large mines , up to say 85 - 100mm you have to pass safety / competence training and if you do pass, a license is issued, which must be shown at time of purchase?

There is no way in the world the public will ever be able to buy shells greater than 1.75 inch. No matter what the licensing regime it will never happen and would be a recipe for disaster.

They have already passed laws to strip the power out of the UK's fireworks why would they allow shells. Shells will always be limited to so called professionals and the industry should always be wary of too many shells leaking out to the public because people have and are killing themselves using them. I know of three fatalities in the last 6 years in my neck of the woods and have heard of countless near misses.

Joe Bloggs member of the public dont understand about quick match and dont know about hang fires.

You guys from the UK should start looking at the detail of the new European restrictions cause it is going to change your pyro scene big time.

You cannot beat flash burst. Your fireworks are going to lose a stack of BANG.
 

Tony

Administrator
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There is no way in the world the public will ever be able to buy shells greater than 1.75 inch. No matter what the licensing regime it will never happen and would be a recipe for disaster.

Well there are some country's in Europe where you can buy to 100mm shells.
But you need a simple certificate (See vavooms post) to buy them. The certificate can be in your hands in 3 days time.
 

meggsy

Registered User
I don't sell fireworks, so I am not sure, I do know that a number of companies are makng mention of the fact that some fireworks will not be as powerful as they once were.

Steve
 
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